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16 Oct 2006 5:26 PM
GoBruins
hi all,

i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.

i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?

if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
suggestions.

thanks in advance.

Author
16 Oct 2006 5:44 PM
Trimelater
There are many solutions for backing up your server.  I would used the
built-in backup on Windows and purchase a dat drive where you can insert
backup tape each day.

You can also you an external hard drive which will also work too.  But, then
you have to think, what happen if your workplace get level.

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"GoBruins" wrote:

> hi all,
>
> i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
>
> i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
>
> if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> suggestions.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
>
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Author
16 Oct 2006 6:43 PM
Joe
You should get SDLT tapes 30GB/ and drive drive software Veritas Backup
Exec
It was soo easy to use and maintain.

Now as days I used Networker.

GoBruins wrote:
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> hi all,
>
> i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
>
> i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
>
> if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> suggestions.
>
> thanks in advance.
Author
16 Oct 2006 6:49 PM
dvw
GoBruins, you have many choices for your backup plan, but here are a few
givens:

    1. Get something in place right away. A ten workstation, server based
network with no backup at all is a disaster waiting to happen.
    2. Be sure your plan ensures one fairly up to date backup is offsite at
all times. I have some clients that rotate backups offsite daily, others
weekly.
   3. Make sure all key data is stored on servers, not on the workstations
themselves, to keep the backup plan as simple as possible.
    4. Whatever backup system you choose, be sure to periodically do a test
restore.
    5. If you choose a tape drive, get a high quality device. Do not go
cheap (ie Travan).


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"GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> hi all,
>
> i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
>
> i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
>
> if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> suggestions.
>
> thanks in advance.
>
Author
16 Oct 2006 11:06 PM
GoBruins
dvw (removethis) wrote:
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> GoBruins, you have many choices for your backup plan, but here are a few
> givens:
>
>     1. Get something in place right away. A ten workstation, server based
> network with no backup at all is a disaster waiting to happen.
>     2. Be sure your plan ensures one fairly up to date backup is offsite at
> all times. I have some clients that rotate backups offsite daily, others
> weekly.
>    3. Make sure all key data is stored on servers, not on the workstations
> themselves, to keep the backup plan as simple as possible.
>     4. Whatever backup system you choose, be sure to periodically do a test
> restore.
>     5. If you choose a tape drive, get a high quality device. Do not go
> cheap (ie Travan).
>
>
> "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161019593.860888.198540@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > hi all,
> >
> > i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> > a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> > the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
> >
> > i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> > backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> > something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
> >
> > if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> > suggestions.
> >
> > thanks in advance.

yes, all great suggestions. i was planning on using an external hard
drive because they're so fast, and so cheap nowadays. we could buy a
couple and rotate them, taking one off-site.

here's another possible hurdle i face. the server computer is fairly
dated. if it does crash, it's going to be hard to find replacement
parts for it. i'm tempted to take preemtive action and upgrade the
server, but i'm kinda green, so i'm a bit leery about diving in.

for example, i know that if the new motherboard chipset / graphics card
don't match, i can't just do a simple restore. how do other sys admins
handle this dilemma?
Author
17 Oct 2006 12:05 AM
dvw
If I was in your situation, based on all you've reported (ie size of
network, age of server, etc.), I'd purchase Acronis True Image Server,
including the Universal Restore option, and image that server asap. Others
might suggest other (ie less expensive) imaging products- I just don't have
experience with them.

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"GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> dvw (removethis) wrote:
>> GoBruins, you have many choices for your backup plan, but here are a few
>> givens:
>>
>>     1. Get something in place right away. A ten workstation, server based
>> network with no backup at all is a disaster waiting to happen.
>>     2. Be sure your plan ensures one fairly up to date backup is offsite
>> at
>> all times. I have some clients that rotate backups offsite daily, others
>> weekly.
>>    3. Make sure all key data is stored on servers, not on the
>> workstations
>> themselves, to keep the backup plan as simple as possible.
>>     4. Whatever backup system you choose, be sure to periodically do a
>> test
>> restore.
>>     5. If you choose a tape drive, get a high quality device. Do not go
>> cheap (ie Travan).
>>
>>
>> "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161019593.860888.198540@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > hi all,
>> >
>> > i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
>> > a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
>> > the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
>> >
>> > i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
>> > backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
>> > something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
>> >
>> > if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
>> > suggestions.
>> >
>> > thanks in advance.
>
> yes, all great suggestions. i was planning on using an external hard
> drive because they're so fast, and so cheap nowadays. we could buy a
> couple and rotate them, taking one off-site.
>
> here's another possible hurdle i face. the server computer is fairly
> dated. if it does crash, it's going to be hard to find replacement
> parts for it. i'm tempted to take preemtive action and upgrade the
> server, but i'm kinda green, so i'm a bit leery about diving in.
>
> for example, i know that if the new motherboard chipset / graphics card
> don't match, i can't just do a simple restore. how do other sys admins
> handle this dilemma?
>
Author
17 Oct 2006 7:42 AM
Nat
I can highly recommend Symantec Livestate Recovery - Server Edition
obv.  it costs about $900 AUD but take only 1 or 2 hours to restore a
server as opposed to the Tape option which takes alot longer and is
more labour intensive, i.e. you have to change it every day.

Tapes are on the way out i reckon so go for the Image software, either
Symantec (which has good tech support) or Acronis aren't bad either.


dvw (removethis) wrote:
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> If I was in your situation, based on all you've reported (ie size of
> network, age of server, etc.), I'd purchase Acronis True Image Server,
> including the Universal Restore option, and image that server asap. Others
> might suggest other (ie less expensive) imaging products- I just don't have
> experience with them.
>
> "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161039968.720365.47080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > dvw (removethis) wrote:
> >> GoBruins, you have many choices for your backup plan, but here are a few
> >> givens:
> >>
> >>     1. Get something in place right away. A ten workstation, server based
> >> network with no backup at all is a disaster waiting to happen.
> >>     2. Be sure your plan ensures one fairly up to date backup is offsite
> >> at
> >> all times. I have some clients that rotate backups offsite daily, others
> >> weekly.
> >>    3. Make sure all key data is stored on servers, not on the
> >> workstations
> >> themselves, to keep the backup plan as simple as possible.
> >>     4. Whatever backup system you choose, be sure to periodically do a
> >> test
> >> restore.
> >>     5. If you choose a tape drive, get a high quality device. Do not go
> >> cheap (ie Travan).
> >>
> >>
> >> "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1161019593.860888.198540@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > hi all,
> >> >
> >> > i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> >> > a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> >> > the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
> >> >
> >> > i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> >> > backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> >> > something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
> >> >
> >> > if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> >> > suggestions.
> >> >
> >> > thanks in advance.
> >
> > yes, all great suggestions. i was planning on using an external hard
> > drive because they're so fast, and so cheap nowadays. we could buy a
> > couple and rotate them, taking one off-site.
> >
> > here's another possible hurdle i face. the server computer is fairly
> > dated. if it does crash, it's going to be hard to find replacement
> > parts for it. i'm tempted to take preemtive action and upgrade the
> > server, but i'm kinda green, so i'm a bit leery about diving in.
> >
> > for example, i know that if the new motherboard chipset / graphics card
> > don't match, i can't just do a simple restore. how do other sys admins
> > handle this dilemma?
> >
Author
17 Oct 2006 2:16 PM
GoBruins
Nat wrote:
> I can highly recommend Symantec Livestate Recovery - Server Edition
> obv.  it costs about $900 AUD but take only 1 or 2 hours to restore a
> server as opposed to the Tape option which takes alot longer and is
> more labour intensive, i.e. you have to change it every day.
>
> Tapes are on the way out i reckon so go for the Image software, either
> Symantec (which has good tech support) or Acronis aren't bad either.


both good suggestions, thank you. $1000 isn't unreasonable for a good,
sound backup solution. a couple of more questions:

1. is the backup software typically installed on the server itself?
2. if tapes are on the way out, how about using a couple of big
external hard drives and rotating them, taking one off-site on every
rotation?


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> dvw (removethis) wrote:
> > If I was in your situation, based on all you've reported (ie size of
> > network, age of server, etc.), I'd purchase Acronis True Image Server,
> > including the Universal Restore option, and image that server asap. Others
> > might suggest other (ie less expensive) imaging products- I just don't have
> > experience with them.
> >
> > "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1161039968.720365.47080@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > dvw (removethis) wrote:
> > >> GoBruins, you have many choices for your backup plan, but here are a few
> > >> givens:
> > >>
> > >>     1. Get something in place right away. A ten workstation, server based
> > >> network with no backup at all is a disaster waiting to happen.
> > >>     2. Be sure your plan ensures one fairly up to date backup is offsite
> > >> at
> > >> all times. I have some clients that rotate backups offsite daily, others
> > >> weekly.
> > >>    3. Make sure all key data is stored on servers, not on the
> > >> workstations
> > >> themselves, to keep the backup plan as simple as possible.
> > >>     4. Whatever backup system you choose, be sure to periodically do a
> > >> test
> > >> restore.
> > >>     5. If you choose a tape drive, get a high quality device. Do not go
> > >> cheap (ie Travan).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> "GoBruins" <adventurefo***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1161019593.860888.198540@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > i'm pretty new to networks, but i've been put in charge of backups for
> > >> > a smallish, but growing, 2003 server network (about 10 workstations).
> > >> > the first thing i need to do is come up with a good backup solution.
> > >> >
> > >> > i'm thinking of buying an external hard drive and using the built in
> > >> > backup program in 2003 server. is this adequate? or should i buy
> > >> > something like Acronis and make an image of the server hard drive?
> > >> >
> > >> > if there is a better/more robust backup solution, we'd be open to
> > >> > suggestions.
> > >> >
> > >> > thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > yes, all great suggestions. i was planning on using an external hard
> > > drive because they're so fast, and so cheap nowadays. we could buy a
> > > couple and rotate them, taking one off-site.
> > >
> > > here's another possible hurdle i face. the server computer is fairly
> > > dated. if it does crash, it's going to be hard to find replacement
> > > parts for it. i'm tempted to take preemtive action and upgrade the
> > > server, but i'm kinda green, so i'm a bit leery about diving in.
> > >
> > > for example, i know that if the new motherboard chipset / graphics card
> > > don't match, i can't just do a simple restore. how do other sys admins
> > > handle this dilemma?

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