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In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing type DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. Does someone know what could create entries like that ? Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, right-click Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. Thanks for your help. Hello Normand,
Any devide which is enabled to use DHCP, switches, printers, computers of course, handheld if network ready etc....... Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm Show quoteHide quote > Hi, > In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing > type > DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. > Does someone know what could create entries like that ? > Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. > To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, right-click > Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. > Thanks for your help. Hi Meinolf,
But one device can create multiple records in DHCP ? The unique ID is supposed to be the MAC address of the device but in my case, unique ID is 31302e302e39302e31353100, 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. Thanks. "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : ff16fb6623c5c8cba1c75c499***@msnews.microsoft.com...Show quoteHide quote > Hello Normand, > > Any devide which is enabled to use DHCP, switches, printers, computers of > course, handheld if network ready etc....... > > Best regards > > Meinolf Weber > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and > confers no rights. > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups > ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > >> Hi, >> In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing >> type >> DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. >> Does someone know what could create entries like that ? >> Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. >> To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, right-click >> Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. >> Thanks for your help. > > Hello Normand,
Ping the ip address of that item and then run "arp -a" in a command prompt, the list should also show the MAC for the ip address from that device. Best regards Meinolf Weber Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights. ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm Show quoteHide quote > Hi Meinolf, > But one device can create multiple records in DHCP ? > The unique ID is supposed to be the MAC address of the device but in > my > case, unique ID is 31302e302e39302e31353100, 31302e302e39302e31353200, > 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. > Thanks. > "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> a écrit dans le > message de groupe de discussion : > ff16fb6623c5c8cba1c75c499***@msnews.microsoft.com... > >> Hello Normand, >> >> Any devide which is enabled to use DHCP, switches, printers, >> computers of course, handheld if network ready etc....... >> >> Best regards >> >> Meinolf Weber >> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and >> confers no rights. >> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups >> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm >>> Hi, >>> In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing >>> type >>> DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. >>> Does someone know what could create entries like that ? >>> Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. >>> To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, >>> right-click >>> Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. >>> Thanks for your help. I did that and I can't ping the device with that Ip address.
Always receive a request time out. "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : ff16fb6623cdf8cba1f1911ef***@msnews.microsoft.com...Show quoteHide quote > Hello Normand, > > Ping the ip address of that item and then run "arp -a" in a command > prompt, the list should also show the MAC for the ip address from that > device. > > Best regards > > Meinolf Weber > Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and > confers no rights. > ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups > ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > >> Hi Meinolf, >> But one device can create multiple records in DHCP ? >> The unique ID is supposed to be the MAC address of the device but in >> my >> case, unique ID is 31302e302e39302e31353100, 31302e302e39302e31353200, >> 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. >> Thanks. >> "Meinolf Weber [MVP-DS]" <meiweb(nospam)@gmx.de> a écrit dans le >> message de groupe de discussion : >> ff16fb6623c5c8cba1c75c499***@msnews.microsoft.com... >> >>> Hello Normand, >>> >>> Any devide which is enabled to use DHCP, switches, printers, >>> computers of course, handheld if network ready etc....... >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Meinolf Weber >>> Disclaimer: This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and >>> confers no rights. >>> ** Please do NOT email, only reply to Newsgroups >>> ** HELP us help YOU!!! http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm >>>> Hi, >>>> In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing >>>> type >>>> DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. >>>> Does someone know what could create entries like that ? >>>> Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. >>>> To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, >>>> right-click >>>> Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. >>>> Thanks for your help. > > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message Follow up and look at the arp table. 'arp -a'news:%23Zwebr80JHA.4352@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >I did that and I can't ping the device with that Ip address. > Always receive a request time out. Just because a device doesn't answer a ping doesn't mean it didn't respond to an arp. ARP stands for address resolution protocol and it's (basically) how devices go from listening via just an ethernet hardware address (the MAC) to an IP. A device makes an arp request for "who has ip address 1.2.3.4" and ethernet hardware device 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8 sings out and responds "I do". The requesting device then stores that MAC and uses it for requests to that IP. If you have smart switches involved you could check their per-port ARP tables and see where the questionable device is connected. -Bill Kearney
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"Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message news:OCSLCIz0JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... Get the MAC address of the device or client, then log into your switch to determine what port it is on.> Hi, > In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing type > DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. > Does someone know what could create entries like that ? > Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. > To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, right-click > Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. > Thanks for your help. > > > -- Ace This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights. Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging, MCT Microsoft Certified Trainer ace***@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers. "Efficiency is doing things right; effectiveness is doing the right things." - Peter F. Drucker http://twitter.com/acefekay Hi Ace,
How can I find MAC address of that device ? MAC is supposed to be indicated under Unique ID but what I have is 31302e302e39302e31353100, 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. for each record. Thanks for any more help. "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <ace***@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : OUvCGy70JHA.5***@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... Show quoteHide quote > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message > news:OCSLCIz0JHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Hi, >> In our DHCP server (French Windows 2k3 R2), we have records showing type >> DHCP/BOOTP with a unique ID 31302e302e39302e31353xx. >> Does someone know what could create entries like that ? >> Every 10-15 minutes, a different record is created. >> To be able to see those records, I have to go on my scope, right-click >> Reconcile, Verify, Reconcile and then I can see the record. >> Thanks for your help. >> >> >> > > > > Get the MAC address of the device or client, then log into your switch to > determine what port it is on. > > -- > Ace > > This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and > confers no rights. > > Ace Fekay, MCSE 2003 & 2000, MCSA 2003 & 2000, MCSA Messaging, MCT > Microsoft Certified Trainer > ace***@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org > > For urgent issues, you may want to contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please > check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers. > > "Efficiency is doing things right; effectiveness is doing the right > things." - Peter F. Drucker > http://twitter.com/acefekay > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message news:%23kGVuX80JHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... Wow, that is odd. The uniqueID should be 12 characters. You are seeing a 24 bit MAC. Let's break it down.> Hi Ace, > How can I find MAC address of that device ? MAC is supposed to be indicated > under Unique ID but what I have is 31302e302e39302e31353100, > 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. for each record. > Thanks for any more help. For: 3130 2e30 2e39 302e 3135 3100 (put into calc as Hex, then changed from Qword to Dword) and got: 2E 39 30 2E 00 Do you see that MAC? If not, how about any of the following? 31 2e 30 31 31 or 30 30 39 2e 35 00 Ace Hi Ace,
Nothing like that in my DHCP records. Kind of bizarre thing. "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" <ace***@mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion : emEFO0C1JHA.1***@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... Show quoteHide quote > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message > news:%23kGVuX80JHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Hi Ace, >> How can I find MAC address of that device ? MAC is supposed to be >> indicated >> under Unique ID but what I have is 31302e302e39302e31353100, >> 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. for each record. >> Thanks for any more help. > > > Wow, that is odd. The uniqueID should be 12 characters. You are seeing a > 24 bit MAC. Let's break it down. > > For: > 3130 2e30 2e39 302e 3135 3100 > (put into calc as Hex, then changed from Qword to Dword) and got: > > 2E 39 30 2E 00 > > Do you see that MAC? If not, how about any of the following? > > 31 2e 30 31 31 > or > 30 30 39 2e 35 00 > > > Ace > > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message news:OUvibfM1JHA.2516@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... No, not in DHCP records, I mean after breaking it down as I suggested (and that was just a stab at it), to look for that number as a possible MAC in the switche's ARP or MAC table.> Hi Ace, > > Nothing like that in my DHCP records. > Kind of bizarre thing. Ace Hi folks,
We are experiencing the same issue. Several Windows 2003 SP2 DHCP servers have scopes that become completely exhausted over time for no clear reason. Refreshing the view of active leases shows nothing; however once I reconcile and verify then refresh again the leases show. They all have a lease expiration date of 24 hours from the moment I hit reconcile (our lease length is 24 hours). They show as type DHCP/BOOTP from the GUI (MMC) and Unspecified from the command line (netsh). The servers are configured to disallow BOOTP requests. The Unique ID that appears is far too long to be a MAC address but other forums suggest this is just a mask... for example a lease for 10.1.100.5 will show as: 31 30 2e 31 2e 31 30 30 2e 35 00 31 = ascii 1 30 = ascii 0 2e = ascii . 31 = ascii 1 2e = ascii . 31 = ascii 1 30 = ascii 0 30 = ascii 0 and so on... There is a RRAS server in the environment but IPs gathered by RAS show specifically as just that, have another icon associated with them in the MMC, show the RAS server name, and never outnumber 10. Another avenue I'm attempting to explore is Windows Automated Deployment Services 1.1. When an ADS client tries to PXE boot it sends a broadcast request. As I understood it, the ADS server picks this up and either assigns the client a DHCP address or relays its request to a DHCP server. My ADS server is not configured as a DHCP server OR a DHCP relay agent however, yet my PXE clients (assuming there are available leases at the time) never fail to acquire an address. (Perhaps the PXE clients make their own DHCP requests?) There are no restrictions for DHCP or PXE packets on our switches -- all are allowed through on a FIFO basis. I also see non-pingable leases being generated in this scope while no servers on the subnet are attempting PXE boots. DHCP logs are not helping either. As an example, I removed all unidentifiable leases from a scope and found the next morning that 8 new leases were there (only by following the refresh method listed above.) I queried all of the logs for the prior week and found not a single reference to any of the IPs leased out except for my deletion! I understand reconciling involves comparing the database to information in the registry. Perhaps if I knew where in the registry this lease info was stored I could look for clues there. I am leery of deleting and recreating scopes and read in another post that this failed to resolve an identical issue for another user. Any ideas? Show quoteHide quote "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" wrote: > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message news:%23kGVuX80JHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > Hi Ace, > > How can I find MAC address of that device ? MAC is supposed to be indicated > > under Unique ID but what I have is 31302e302e39302e31353100, > > 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. for each record. > > Thanks for any more help. > > > Wow, that is odd. The uniqueID should be 12 characters. You are seeing a 24 bit MAC. Let's break it down. > > For: > 3130 2e30 2e39 302e 3135 3100 > (put into calc as Hex, then changed from Qword to Dword) and got: > > 2E 39 30 2E 00 > > Do you see that MAC? If not, how about any of the following? > > 31 2e 30 31 31 > or > 30 30 39 2e 35 00 > > > Ace > > > Oops, to clarify on resolving the Unique IDs for these devices (from Google
Group posting): "For IP Address 192.168.16.141 the Client Name is also "192.168.16.141" and the Unique ID is "3139322e3136382e31362..." Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" Hex 39 = Decimal 57; ASCII 57 = "9" Hex 32 = Decimal 50; ASCII 50 = "2" Hex 2E = Decimal 46; ASCII 46 = "." Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" Hex 36 = Decimal 54; ASCII 54 = "6" Hex 38 = Decimal 56; ASCII 56 = "8" " I also want to reiterate that the IPs leased in this manner are not pinagable and not traceable via our switches. So we also have no MAC address to track via ARP commands. Show quoteHide quote "yzzazz" wrote: > Hi folks, > > We are experiencing the same issue. Several Windows 2003 SP2 DHCP servers > have scopes that become completely exhausted over time for no clear reason. > > Refreshing the view of active leases shows nothing; however once I reconcile > and verify then refresh again the leases show. They all have a lease > expiration date of 24 hours from the moment I hit reconcile (our lease length > is 24 hours). They show as type DHCP/BOOTP from the GUI (MMC) and Unspecified > from the command line (netsh). The servers are configured to disallow BOOTP > requests. The Unique ID that appears is far too long to be a MAC address but > other forums suggest this is just a mask... for example a lease for > 10.1.100.5 will show as: > 31 30 2e 31 2e 31 30 30 2e 35 00 > 31 = ascii 1 > 30 = ascii 0 > 2e = ascii . > 31 = ascii 1 > 2e = ascii . > 31 = ascii 1 > 30 = ascii 0 > 30 = ascii 0 > and so on... > > There is a RRAS server in the environment but IPs gathered by RAS show > specifically as just that, have another icon associated with them in the MMC, > show the RAS server name, and never outnumber 10. > > Another avenue I'm attempting to explore is Windows Automated Deployment > Services 1.1. When an ADS client tries to PXE boot it sends a broadcast > request. As I understood it, the ADS server picks this up and either assigns > the client a DHCP address or relays its request to a DHCP server. My ADS > server is not configured as a DHCP server OR a DHCP relay agent however, yet > my PXE clients (assuming there are available leases at the time) never fail > to acquire an address. (Perhaps the PXE clients make their own DHCP requests?) > > There are no restrictions for DHCP or PXE packets on our switches -- all are > allowed through on a FIFO basis. I also see non-pingable leases being > generated in this scope while no servers on the subnet are attempting PXE > boots. > > DHCP logs are not helping either. As an example, I removed all > unidentifiable leases from a scope and found the next morning that 8 new > leases were there (only by following the refresh method listed above.) I > queried all of the logs for the prior week and found not a single reference > to any of the IPs leased out except for my deletion! > > I understand reconciling involves comparing the database to information in > the registry. Perhaps if I knew where in the registry this lease info was > stored I could look for clues there. I am leery of deleting and recreating > scopes and read in another post that this failed to resolve an identical > issue for another user. > > Any ideas? > > > "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" wrote: > > > "Normand" <nhu***@noreply.ca> wrote in message news:%23kGVuX80JHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > > Hi Ace, > > > How can I find MAC address of that device ? MAC is supposed to be indicated > > > under Unique ID but what I have is 31302e302e39302e31353100, > > > 31302e302e39302e31353200, 31302e302e39302e31353300, etc. for each record. > > > Thanks for any more help. > > > > > > Wow, that is odd. The uniqueID should be 12 characters. You are seeing a 24 bit MAC. Let's break it down. > > > > For: > > 3130 2e30 2e39 302e 3135 3100 > > (put into calc as Hex, then changed from Qword to Dword) and got: > > > > 2E 39 30 2E 00 > > > > Do you see that MAC? If not, how about any of the following? > > > > 31 2e 30 31 31 > > or > > 30 30 39 2e 35 00 > > > > > > Ace > > > > > >
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"yzzazz" <yzz***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message Thanks for posting this info. As for why it is happening, I am not sure.news:517F78BA-C9E6-4E6A-9BBB-82C64045DF2B@microsoft.com... > Oops, to clarify on resolving the Unique IDs for these devices (from > Group posting): > > "For IP Address 192.168.16.141 the Client Name is also "192.168.16.141" > and > the Unique ID is "3139322e3136382e31362..." > > > Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" > Hex 39 = Decimal 57; ASCII 57 = "9" > Hex 32 = Decimal 50; ASCII 50 = "2" > Hex 2E = Decimal 46; ASCII 46 = "." > Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" > Hex 36 = Decimal 54; ASCII 54 = "6" > Hex 38 = Decimal 56; ASCII 56 = "8" > " > > I also want to reiterate that the IPs leased in this manner are not > pinagable and not traceable via our switches. So we also have no MAC > address > to track via ARP commands. Did you opt to have DHCP give out IPv6 addresses? I'm not sure if it coorelates, but if you were to disable IPv6 on the DHCP scope, does it go back to non-hex? Ace I appreciate your help Ace. Our DHCP servers do not hand out IPv6 addresses
so that can be ruled out as a cause. I don't have much experience with network sniffing. Is there a chance I could configure wireshark or netmon to watch traffic on one of the DHCP servers for a string containing the ACK and an IP from the range, then just wait back until that particular IP is swiped by whatever process is taking them all? Do you have any scan filter parameters for one of these programs? Are they resource intensive? What is the likelihood of gathering useful information from any particular packet? Thanks in advance! Show quoteHide quote "Ace Fekay [Microsoft Certified Trainer]" wrote: > "yzzazz" <yzz***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:517F78BA-C9E6-4E6A-9BBB-82C64045DF2B@microsoft.com... > > Oops, to clarify on resolving the Unique IDs for these devices (from > > Group posting): > > > > "For IP Address 192.168.16.141 the Client Name is also "192.168.16.141" > > and > > the Unique ID is "3139322e3136382e31362..." > > > > > > Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" > > Hex 39 = Decimal 57; ASCII 57 = "9" > > Hex 32 = Decimal 50; ASCII 50 = "2" > > Hex 2E = Decimal 46; ASCII 46 = "." > > Hex 31 = Decimal 49; ASCII 49 = "1" > > Hex 36 = Decimal 54; ASCII 54 = "6" > > Hex 38 = Decimal 56; ASCII 56 = "8" > > " > > > > I also want to reiterate that the IPs leased in this manner are not > > pinagable and not traceable via our switches. So we also have no MAC > > address > > to track via ARP commands. > > Thanks for posting this info. As for why it is happening, I am not sure. > > Did you opt to have DHCP give out IPv6 addresses? I'm not sure if it > coorelates, but if you were to disable IPv6 on the DHCP scope, does it go > back to non-hex? > > Ace > > > > >
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"yzzazz" <yzz***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I haven't thought about that, and Wireshark or Netmon would be a good bet. I news:5AE83FD0-F4FE-4234-BD78-171272577561@microsoft.com... >I appreciate your help Ace. Our DHCP servers do not hand out IPv6 addresses > so that can be ruled out as a cause. > > I don't have much experience with network sniffing. Is there a chance I > could configure wireshark or netmon to watch traffic on one of the DHCP > servers for a string containing the ACK and an IP from the range, then > just > wait back until that particular IP is swiped by whatever process is taking > them all? > > Do you have any scan filter parameters for one of these programs? Are they > resource intensive? What is the likelihood of gathering useful information > from any particular packet? > > Thanks in advance! would watch BootP and ports UDP 68and 69 filtering, going to and from the DHCP server. IIRC, I thought there may be a built-in filter for DHCP on netmon? Not sure about Wireshark. Ace
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