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22 Feb 2005 4:17 PM
John
I have found almost all the answers I needed on this newgroup and am
grateful for all of the help.  I'm hoping this time I will still find
answers I need although they are not as cut and dry as the previous.

I have been developing asp sites on the side for about 4 years now.  I have
learned from what I can see more then I could have expected.  I was in
teaching in a totally unrelated field until recently and now I am
considering going into this fulltime.  The first problem that comes to mind
is that while I have a graduate degree almost none of my educational
background reflects the skill sets I would need for a programming career.  I
have learned a lot in 4 years on my own but I need to hustle to round out
what skills I do have to get started.

I just finished my first site for someone that is data driven and uses all
the compulsory ASP technologies.  I went into this project with the intent
to go in with both barrells, make mistakes,  finish it anyway I could, and
analyze the mistakes so I could begin the process of filling in the gaps.
Here are the things I've identified as things in dire need of improvement.
I'd appreciate suggestions on books that will teach these things "properly"
and not leave me ripping my hair out at 2AM.

1). RDBMS and how it relates to website DB's.  I've take a course on this
and have a basic concept for normalizing data but I don't know how to use
and call on that data on a website.  For example, I don't know call on field
that in table is a number that uniquely relates to another field in another
table and produce the "name" not the "ID".  I suspect that this is done with
JOIN's but these get confusing and I need to understand them BEFORE I design
my next database, not AFTER when it's too late.  Not knowing forces me to
ignore normalization in favor of what I know how to do on the front end.

2). SQL syntax for Access (can't get to SQL server, no money right now).  I
waste countless hours trying to get SQL strings to work either due to syntax
or delimter problems, etc.  I suspect again that understanding Queries
(stored proc's when I can get hands on SQL server) and the Parameters
collection is the right direction.  I have Wrox's ASP  3.0 but I need a more
in- depth explanation.

3). JavaScript client side or something else?  I'm having validation issues
on the client side and don't know how for to go into JS.  I don't have a lot
of time being a career changer and while I know I'll have to learn it sooner
or later I need to know "how much is too much" at this point.

4).  Should I learn more intensive VBScript "now" or learn it as I go?

5). At what point should I move into other technologies such as XML?  What's
hot? What's not?

Thanks to all!

Author
23 Feb 2005 12:25 AM
Hal Rosser
2 good sources - the first one has already been mentioned :
www.w3schools.com

and

http://devguru.com

both are extremely good at most of the (HOT)  technology .

by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in favor of
ASP.NET.
I suggest throwing Java in the mix, too.
Author
23 Feb 2005 6:49 PM
Bob Barrows [MVP]
Hal Rosser wrote:
>
> by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in
> favor of ASP.NET.

Where have you heard this? I have heard of no plans for dropping support of
ASP. It's certainly not on any "deprecated technology" list I've seen. Do
you have a citation where this is stated officially? If so I would be very
interested in reading it.

Bob Barrows

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Author
23 Feb 2005 10:42 PM
Roland Hall
"Bob Barrows [MVP]" <reb01501@NOyahoo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
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: Hal Rosser wrote:
: >
: > by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in
: > favor of ASP.NET.
:
: Where have you heard this? I have heard of no plans for dropping support
of
: ASP. It's certainly not on any "deprecated technology" list I've seen. Do
: you have a citation where this is stated officially? If so I would be very
: interested in reading it.

In all fairness, Bob, depending on his learning abilities, he may be right.
(O:=

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Author
23 Feb 2005 11:25 PM
John
wow, everywhere I go somehow I start something....

if asp classic isn't deprecated in 6 months then I think I'll be fine ;-P
As for .Net how different is it?

My learning abilities are fine thanks ;-/


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"Roland Hall" <nobody@nowhere> wrote in message
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> "Bob Barrows [MVP]" <reb01501@NOyahoo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
> news:ufjXYhdGFHA.2620@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> : Hal Rosser wrote:
> : >
> : > by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in
> : > favor of ASP.NET.
> :
> : Where have you heard this? I have heard of no plans for dropping support
> of
> : ASP. It's certainly not on any "deprecated technology" list I've seen.
Do
> : you have a citation where this is stated officially? If so I would be
very
> : interested in reading it.
>
> In all fairness, Bob, depending on his learning abilities, he may be
right.
> (O:=
>
> --
> Roland Hall
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> without any warranty; without even the implied warranty of merchantability
> or fitness for a particular purpose. */
> Technet Script Center - http://www.microsoft.com/technet/scriptcenter/
> WSH 5.6 Documentation -
http://msdn.microsoft.com/downloads/list/webdev.asp
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24 Feb 2005 9:29 AM
Roland Hall
"John" wrote in message news:Nh8Td.37439$H05.13020@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
: wow, everywhere I go somehow I start something....
:
: if asp classic isn't deprecated in 6 months then I think I'll be fine ;-P
: As for .Net how different is it?
:
: My learning abilities are fine thanks ;-/

Just havin' fun John...looks like you're aware.  (O:=

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Author
23 Feb 2005 11:37 PM
Bob Barrows [MVP]
Roland Hall wrote:
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> "Bob Barrows [MVP]" <reb01501@NOyahoo.SPAMcom> wrote in message
> news:ufjXYhdGFHA.2620@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> Hal Rosser wrote:
>>>
>>> by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in
>>> favor of ASP.NET.
>>
>> Where have you heard this? I have heard of no plans for dropping
>> support of ASP. It's certainly not on any "deprecated technology"
>> list I've seen. Do you have a citation where this is stated
>> officially? If so I would be very interested in reading it.
>
> In all fairness, Bob, depending on his learning abilities, he may be
> right. (O:=

:-)
I realize you are making a joke, but the "fairness" word makes me realize
that my request for information may have been interpreted as an attack.
Sorry Hal. I should have worded it better. I wasn't attacking, I simply
wished to know your source of information.

Bob

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Author
24 Feb 2005 1:21 AM
Hal Rosser
> >> Hal Rosser wrote:
> >>>
> >>> by the time you learn ASP, MS will have dropped support for it in
> >>> favor of ASP.NET.
> >>
==== unca Bob Replied ===
> >> Where have you heard this? I have heard of no plans for dropping
> >> support of ASP. It's certainly not on any "deprecated technology"
==================
and my current response:
You may be right. I should not use historical events to predict the future.
My statement was pure speculation - and not based on any privileged
information..
My apologies to the believers.
=== ;-)

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